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Why Hamilton and Verstappen crash penalties can't be compared

Why Hamilton and Verstappen crash penalties can't be compared

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Why Hamilton and Verstappen crash penalties can't be compared

Why Hamilton and Verstappen crash penalties can't be compared
Ian Parkes & Ewan Gale

FIA race director Michael Masi is adamant the penalties handed to F1 title rivals Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen for their clashes this season are not comparable.

The two championship rivals dramatically collided at the Italian Grand Prix, with Verstappen given a three-place grid penalty for the next race in Russia after being found to be "predominantly to blame" for the incident.

At Silverstone, Hamilton received a 10-second penalty for taking Verstappen out of the British Grand Prix, albeit shrugging off the punishment to win his home race for a record eighth time.

"One of the things we have generally agreed amongst the teams is that a five- or a 10-second penalty, give or take, is there or thereabouts between the two of them," explained Masi.

"You need to look at it on the basis of if they had continued, it would have been a time penalty in the race. However, they didn't.

"With Silverstone, you can't compare them at all. You have got two cars taken out in one incident versus one car taken out in another incident, as in they stopped so they could not continue to serve a penalty, is what I am trying to explain.

"A grid penalty, as we have seen, as we have agreed with all of the teams, is what is applied this year for when someone doesn't continue."

FIA reiterates stance of reviewing incidents on "merit"

The collision meant Verstappen left a circuit deemed to be a Mercedes stronghold with his championship lead intact.

Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff suggested the move was a "tactical foul" on the Dutchman's part.

Masi reiterated, however, the FIA was not concerned about the consequences of particular incidents.

"I think from the FIA perspective, together with the stewards, we look at each and every incident on its merit, regardless if it is Lewis, if it is Max, if it is whoever," he added.

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Symanski

The two incidents aren't comparable either.

In Silverstone Max swerved left blocking Lewis from going around the outside. If Lewis had continued he'd have mounted the back of the Red Bull, instead he went to the inside and was backing out to avoid Max when Max again moved over on him. Max got a taste of his own food, and he didn't like it.

Now Max is complaining of not having space left for him when clearly it was Lewis's corner in Monza. So he just rammed Lewis. He could have backed out, but no, he deliberately rammed Lewis.

Quite simply the FIA have been absent with Max. We all know he crashes, we know he barges other drivers off the track in a non-contact sport. Yet the FIA are too afraid to tackle his dangerous driving because Red Bull have too much power.

Masi needs to realise that Lewis's life was only saved by the Halo. FIA needs to deal with Max's dangerous driving with race bans. They gave Grosjean a race ban for less, much less.

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The two incidents aren't comparable either.

In Silverstone Max swerved left blocking Lewis from going around the outside. If Lewis had continued he'd have mounted the back of the Red Bull, instead he went to the inside and was backing out to avoid Max when Max again moved over on him. Max got a taste of his own food, and he didn't like it.

Now Max is complaining of not having space left for him when clearly it was Lewis's corner in Monza. So he just rammed Lewis. He could have backed out, but no, he deliberately rammed Lewis.

Quite simply the FIA have been absent with Max. We all know he crashes, we know he barges other drivers off the track in a non-contact sport. Yet the FIA are too afraid to tackle his dangerous driving because Red Bull have too much power.

Masi needs to realise that Lewis's life was only saved by the Halo. FIA needs to deal with Max's dangerous driving with race bans. They gave Grosjean a race ban for less, much less.

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For sure the FIA are worried that Helmut will pull out of F1 if they don't give him what he wants. He's threatened it enough times. Thing is, I don't think he would. Where else will he get the brand exposure and cudos that comes with Formula One?

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do you remember when ferrari used to do the same satnav? eventually Ecclestone called their bluff and we havent heard a word from them since. Todt needs to do the same now (call their bluff) before the FIA end up on the losing side and red bull will be left making their own rules that all the other teams will have to follow. it sounds dramatic and possibly even slightly far fetched. but out of all the threats, ferrari still have the power to veto any rule they dont like!

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Well said Symanski. Something has to be done about Verstappen's dangerous driving before someone is seriously injured.

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Also, look at the sprint race on Saturday. Danny Ric was further along side on the start on the outside and Max was on the inside (like Hamilton on Sunday) and Max ran Danny way wide and didn't give any room. Then he complains on Sunday. He has his own double standard.

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There's a big difference between the first lap where there's cars all around you and a duel between 2 racers. I agree not enough space was given on thag occasion, but no-one is ever gonna enforce it.

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So true, they aren't comparable.

On Silverstone Verstappen gave Hamilton space and was punted off at high speed regardless.

Hamilton was given a small penalty that ultimately had no effect on him.

On Monza Verstappen was far enough up the side of Hamilton even at the beginning of the corner to warrant room to race and by the time Hamilton had closed the door, Verstappen was past Hamilton's mirrors.

Despite that Verstappen was given a harsher penalty than Hamilton when he should've been given none.

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